May 15, 2023 - EyeClarity Podcast
I wanted to share this session I help with a patient struggling with nearsightedness. I show her some eye exercises and we work on creating a personalized protocol together. Enjoy the show.
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Hello, everyone, it’s Dr. Sam, I’d like to welcome you to my EyeClarity podcast. This is a show that offers cutting edge information on how to improve your vision and overall wellness through holistic methods. I so appreciate you spending part of your day with me. If you have questions, you can send them to hello@drsamberne.com.
Next, recording for you. Okay, so what are your goals and objectives today I
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want to learn about like, how I can improve my vision cuz honestly, I’m really just want to be comfortable not wearing my glasses.
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Okay. All right, that’s fair enough. And when did you get your first prescription? I mean,
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I was in second grade,
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third grade. And you remember what happened? What was going on? Were you having trouble seeing the board? Or?
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Yeah, I think it was because we had those, like vision tests that we did at school. And I think that mine didn’t come back. You know? 2020. So I remember my parents took me to the eye doctor, and I got my prescription.
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Your first prescription? And then did you have any increases?
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Yeah. I mean, it’s been like increasing over the years. Oh, my
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God. Yeah. So I’m looking through the portal. Did you happen to send me that prescription somewhere?
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You can read it to me.
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I’ll read it. Okay. Okay. All right. Oh, D.
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Yeah. Are these right?
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I? Okay. Oh, D it says fear. Negative 4.5. And then cylinder, negative point five. Okay, and then access 175. Okay. And then oh, S series, negative 6.0. And then it says cylinder, d s.
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And then nothing else. Okay, and what’s the date of that prescription?
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The 21st of February this year,
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which is, like fresh one, like for this appointment? Just to give you an idea, like,
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where she’s at right now? Okay, is she wearing that prescription? No, she says one. You’re wearing an older prescription?
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Yeah, from like, three years ago?
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years ago, okay. And it’s not important, but do you have those numbers? I believe.
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So it’d be Oh, do you would be negative 3.75. cylinder and x to stay the same.
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Okay, and then
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negative 4.5. And actually, you didn’t have anything for?
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Yes. Okay, so, this prescription you’re looking through, which is three years old? Or how are you seeing out of it? Or is it blurry for you? Is it clear? What do you
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generally like everything is still clear. I mean, if I’m looking at something small on the board, if I’m sitting like kind of foreign class, like it’s gonna be a bit blurry. For my day to day life, I, I really don’t have any issues at all in this English class. Okay.
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Sounds good. And what about TV or road signs? Any difficulty there?
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Not really. I mean, sometimes when it’s dark, I might have to like squint, but in general, not really. Okay.
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So, how’s your driving?
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Driving is fine. I never had any issues with driving.
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Okay, so this prescription works for driving. Okay. And there’s quite a big difference in this February 21. Prescription, especially in the left eye. So are you are you noticing the left eye has gotten a lot worse since three years ago or more now?
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Yeah, I definitely. I definitely can tell like when I was at the appointment and she just had me I don’t usually, you know, cover one eye on and regular basis going and covering my right eye. I was looking through my left eye had definitely noticed. That’s a lot where I said, I think that’s what’s really intriguing my vision at this point. It’s the left
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like you, you feel like you’re using your right eye a lot more than your left eye or? No,
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I’m not. I don’t really know, I’ve never really been able to tell if I use one. I’m more than the other.
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Okay. And do you ever go without your glasses?
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Yeah, I try to on like walking around or just with my friends. It’s interesting, because I just tend to see, like, I can get around pretty normally, if it’s sunny outside and I without my glasses, I’m usually fine. Okay,
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well, there’s definitely a lot of things I can show you that can help. Change change this, because you don’t want to keep increasing the prescription. And there’s something going on with left eye. For sure. So I would say number one, don’t get this new prescription filled. Now if you want to get new frames, or you know, you want to get updated lenses, I can send you a prescription that will be in this room, this prescription will be updated. If you felt like you wanted that you feel you need that right now, or
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I mean, you probably can use it look, fresh one was, like different members, so we can just get new friends.
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So I can do that. So I’ll when our session is over, I’ll scan and send you a prescription. That’s the three year old prescription. And, you know, that would be that would be something you could use. I guess I have to ask you, how much screen time are you doing?
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I mean, yeah, I was students. So I have to use the computer a lot. I’m reading a lot of material there.
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Okay. Are you are you computer like laptop? Are you phone are you tablet,
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I’m mostly tablet and laptop, I’m trying to limit my phone time work in progress.
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Because definitely the screen time is contributing to the mobile deterioration. And so there’s an interesting trend that that I’ve learned. And that is that the prescription that you use for distance is too strong to be using for your computer or screen time. And so my proposal would be to send you a second prescription, it’s maybe a little bit less. And that would be something that you could use for your screen time. And I would also suggest maybe getting the blue, blue blocker on that as well. So that you know you’re protecting yourself from the damaging blue light, and your eyes are wearing something that’s a little more relaxing for your screen time. And that’s, that’s a, that’s a big point. Because if you’re using your distance prescription for you know, screen time, it is going to make your eyes worse. That’s kind of a no brainer. So, so you would get two pairs, one for your distance and then one for your indoor screen time. And that’s actually a good one to wear, you know as much as you can, because when you wear that your eyes are going to adjust. So the weaker prescription so they’ll start to to improve. This is a technique I use quite a bit with people that are nearsighted is that unless they need the full prescription. If they wear something that’s less that’s another How can we say another technique that will improve their vision so
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So how do you feel about that?
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I think, yeah, I’m really open to that.
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All right. I mean, it’s also good to go without the lenses as well. But this is also another, you know, another idea for you. And if we get a, it’ll be good for your screens to wear something less. So, the next thing let’s, let’s explore would be nutrition. So do you eat breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What’s your normal food intake? So it’s okay.
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So I normally I don’t eat breakfast normally, I’ll usually just drink hot water in the morning. And then I’ll eat lunch around 1230 On a normal day. thing like, chicken liver, or even salad and then for dinner, I’ll usually eat salad fish or sometimes like sushi.
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Do you? Well, and why is it you don’t eat breakfast? Are you used to like the breakfast or?
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Not? Yeah, I’m not really a breakfast person. But also, I just don’t usually have time in the morning because my classes are kind of early and I have to run out the door.
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And how’s your energy during the day? Do you ever get fatigue in the afternoon
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I would say not really in the afternoon, or just say I’m kind of tired in the morning. And then once I wake up a bit more, I’m good to go.
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Okay, and tell me about your sugar intake. Okay, that
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I would say this year, it’s been on the lower side, because I’m definitely making a conscious effort now to lower it.
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How many times per week, how many times per week I would say like once a week, like I eat something once a week, she lives on campus, she just comes home, like on a weekend.
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Awesome? Well, sugar is going to definitely increase your prescription and weaken your eyes. It also this, this may not be possible. But you know, some of the time, if you could have some breakfast, like a protein, something protein powder, protein shake Smillie that that may not be, you know, in your in your game right now. But you’re setting a precedent where you’re kind of in a depleted state by doing that all the time. And, you know, there’s, there’s a couple of schools of thought, you know, what you’re doing in some ways, is you’re doing what we call an intermittent fasting. And that can be actually really great for your, for your health. But when you do it every day, it’s not. It’s like it’s important that you do you do have breakfast some of the time. And so, in any case, practically, it’s going to take something in you that says okay, I guess I need to have something at least some of the days. You know, it’s, it’s a hard one for sure. You could even if it’s like a breakfast burrito or wanna make you can do that. But anyway, I would take a look at that as a possibility of, you know, maybe having some kind of breakfast some of the time. So, again, I’m gonna leave that up to you. I mean, I would love to see you in a in a maybe, you know, there’s a perfect world to make some kind of See? protein, vitamin powder, mixed drink. Because the other thing about your, your situation is the eyes need a lot of nutrients to stay healthy. They really do. And it’s, it’s like, if you’re, like, we could say, alright, you should start taking some omega three fish oil, you should maybe take an eye vitamin, no. And maybe you should also take a multivitamin and also, maybe even some magnesium. That is, this is all these are the All Things that could really benefit, you know, if, you know, if you decided to go that route. So it’s a big change, I understand that. And, but I do think the nutrients is part of the situation. So I’ll take I would love your feedback.
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No, I mean, I think I can definitely see where that would cause some deficit. So I’m, I’m willing to, you know, incorporate, like, start incorporating breakfast, like, slowly into my, like daily routine.
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And, you know, you kind of want to do foods that are, you know, least whole grain that you know, some level of protein, or capability. And, you know, try to eat a higher quality. I mean, this is a good time for you to practice. You know, better wellness. For sure. And so, anyway, I’m gonna leave that up to you. I also think maybe getting on some supplements might be also helpful. So I wanted to ask you, again,
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would you recommend like some maybe I vitamins because I’ve seen a lot of different combinations. So like, with the Mezcal there should be like certain probably write the trends for the eyes?
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Well, my my vitamins, my vitamins would be great for her. I would do the whole how five vitamin, I can send you the link. Oh, how five vitamin, the Omega three would be good. Let’s see if there’s anything else I would suggest. And maybe the asked is income. So those three would be good. Let me ask you a question. Do you ever your eyes ever get dry? ever suffer dry?
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Not often? I would say it’s more on the rare side. Okay.
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Okay, so then I don’t think we need to do eyedrops or anything like that. But I would say the whole health I vitamin, you would take two of those in the morning to the Asda xantham and maybe two of the Omega three. And at least you’re now getting some, some nutrients support. Because as I said, the eyes need a lot of energy. And you’re putting out a lot of energy on your screens. And plus, you’re eating, you’re not getting the breakfast, I think you wake up because of the breakfast issue. And I think it’s kind of a chronic depletion, like we do a test called a hair mineral analysis. And I bet if that pastime, you would probably find your mineral levels to be low, and your adrenals will be a little stressed, and that you probably aren’t absorbing the foods very well. So not that we have to do that test, but that’s probably playing into this to some degree. And if you just ate better and filled up your tank a little more. I think you would, I think you would do better on it. So if you want more advice, I’ll send you the links to the vitamin so you can get those but I think that that’s something I would move in that direction. Shaving, maybe taking a little more care in your your diet? What do you think?
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Let’s save. She’s like, you know time crime she cannot like just to drink it Vaughn pros, would you want it?
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I think I think I think bone broth is excellent. It’s got a lot of great minerals good for collagen, good for the bones, the joints, the eyes. So I would say yes. No, if you get thrown a little organic chicken, even better. So make a chicken soup. But I think if you do bone broth, I would be good. I would maybe look for some kind of protein type, powder protein. That something that you could mix into drink might also be be good. Know, Like with dairy, some people can do dairy, some people can’t. So it could be whey protein, it could just be regular. I mean, I would look for something, I probably would stay away from soy. But I definitely think you know, the more you can get into your body oriented the day, I think that’ll just give you more sustained power, and then adding the, the adding the where the vitamins would be good. And yeah, the sugar, I mean, the thing with the sugars is you want to do at least lower glycemic index. I mean, like berries would be okay. But you know, things like bananas and, um, lots of lots of sugary stuff, like just eating fruit for breakfast. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t do that. But, you know, like, I would love to see you do a smoothie that had celery and kale and cucumber and ginger and, you know, coconut water and land something where you’re getting a lot of really good enzymes and vegetables. It’s gonna take you know, Vitamix and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So that’s, that’s hard. Even if you can do bone broth, great. Good. Yeah, I think that would work.
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Because I mean, also, I come home on the weekends. So I do have access to a blender for three days. So I can also do other
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I’ll send you some of my smoothie formulas, you know, like ginger and Tumeric are really good. You know, and then just think of the colorful vegetables. And you know, beets, carrots, red bell peppers, cucumber, celery, kale, or spinach or, you know, and lemon, I would probably add a little lemon or lime or grapefruit in that drink as well. So you can some vitamin C. And, you know, you could probably throw in a date if you wanted to, to give it a little bit of a sweetener. And then you could add your protein powder to it. Now your talk and now you’re you’re filling up your body because with your prescription and what’s going on with it. This certainly how you’re using your eyes is part of this, but also the energy in your body you need to support your energy more nutrition. So, anyway, that’s all I really need to say about that. I will I will send you the links to and also send you some kind of food recommendations, that some foods that that will help the situation as well. So So any questions so
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far? No, no, I’m
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good. Okay. All right. I want to move to some eye exercises that I think can really help you. My secretary is wants to ask me something. I’ll be back in about 30 seconds. Yes. All right. I’m going to get in to bring on liquids
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is I have a question for you. If we went down the road of eye exercises, and I want you to be really honest with me first of all, do you feel you could do a little bit of daily exercises? Or? Or? If you could, like, how much could you give? Or is it just that you’ve got too much on your plate now, and you just don’t have time to do it?
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No I can, I can make time to do it.
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Okay, because it’s really going to take some some daily things to do to help you. And so I think the first exercise I would like to show you is an exercise where you’re doing this without your glasses on working with the GI separately. So I’m going to demonstrate the exercise and I’m going to see if you can, if you can follow, you can do it for me. So here’s the exercise. Don’t take your glasses off yet. But you’re going to take the glasses off, and you cover your left eye. So that’s what I’m doing. Now, I’ve covered my left eye, and you can see my thumb, my thumb, and I hold it out at about arm’s length, and I’m looking at my thumb. But you see a door out there that’s like 10 feet away. And so what I’m going to do is I’m going to trace the door with my thumb, or my eye is going to be following the thumb. And then I’m going to take my hand away, and I’m going to look with both eyes. And I noticed a little brighter and clearer. Now I’m going to do the same with my left eye and hold my thumb out at about my arm’s length. When I find an object in distance, and I trace it with my thumb, and I’m looking at my thumb as I do. Okay, I’d like you to try that right now. So take off your glasses, covering your left chest can
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hear Chase,
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our target across the room could be anything in the window, you know, and I want you to hold your thumb out there. We want you to look at your thumb, even if it’s blurry. And then I want you to slowly key is slowly I want you to start following your thumb. And let me know if you’re able to do that soon. And the bigger the movement you can make the better it is for your eyes. So are you able to understand what I’m asking?
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Yeah, so like, I’m just tracing the door. Like slowly and I’m watching my thumb as I’m going right?
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Yes, yes. But you’re so indirectly what you’re doing is you’re stretching your eye while you while you do that. Exactly. Exactly.
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I uncover and I look
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and then uncover and then give me an impression on how you see and how you feel with with your two eyes. How is How’s it different? Is it really blurry? Is it bright? Is it what do you notice?
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It’s brighter and I think it’s it’s
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blurry. It’s blurry, no problem. Again, this is a good place for you to experience the book. All right now let’s try That left eye that it’s a little problematic for you. Same thing, you’re going to you’re going to use your thumb and you’re going to trace something out there
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okay
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when I also want to uncover, it’s a bit clearer than it was when it was just my life.
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Okay, and that can happen. So I’d like you to do this, this tracing exercise as much as you can during the day, because as a break from your, from your daily routine, stretching your eye. And it’s, it’s getting you to track and look into the distance. And that’s a really good thing for you. So that’s number one, it’s the, the tracing. Okay, now the next exercise I’m going to suggest for you is something that looks like this, I’m going to do a screen share with you maybe.
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Okay.
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So what you’re going to see is a picture of some jelly beans to see him. Right. So I’m gonna send this picture to you. Okay. And this is a focusing exercise. And it comes from this book, which is called Magic guy. And when you print out the Jelly Bean picture, instead of doing it this way, you’re going to hold it horizontally. Mmm, you can see that. So that’s what the picture looks like. And I’m going to stop the screenshare. And I’m going to, I’m going to do it so you can see me now. So here’s the book, you get the picture. So what you do is you hold the picture up to your nose, touching your nose. And then you literally say to yourself, I’m going to look through the book. So you’re imagining yourself looking through the book. And as you look through the book, start looking at the spaces between the jelly beans, when we get out to about here, we’re going to start to see the jelly beans floating on the page. Okay, now that’s going to tell you when it’s floating on the page that your left eye is working with your right eye. So we are disrupting that habit where for some reason the left eye and the right eye are not working together. And so this is about a two to three minute exercise you can do a little longer if you want the.
And when I do this extra flies like if I’m at my screen, and I just have the chart there. I’m actually moving the book or the paper as I have a 3d. Now, you can either do this with the reduced prescription that I’m sending you or you can do it with no prescription with no prescription. The book is probably going to be more in here where you’re gonna get the 3d. If you use the reduce prescription, you’ll be able to get out there a little farther. So both are valid. Okay, I wouldn’t use your distance prescription. So that’s a good muscular flexibility, peripheral vision, and it also is making sure your right eye and left eye are working together. And with this whole situation going on, with the left and the right on, we want to stop this progression of the left eye being so much worse than the right. So I’ll send you the Jelly Bean picture with the directions. And that’ll be the second one to do. Alright, the third one I’d like you to do is the pom pom. POM hum is a relaxation exercise. Maybe you just did this one at home. But what it is as you rub your hands together for about 10 seconds, and I’ll send you directions, and then you take the palms, and you put them over your eyes and your eyes are closed. Okay, you can lean on a table if you want, notice, no glasses. And then you breathe in, take a normal breath in through the nose. And on an exhale, you keep your mouth closed, but you make a humming sound like this
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you do about three of those. And then you take hands down. And you’ll look out into the distance and you’re gonna notice you’re gonna feel more relaxed. And you’re going to see more clearly. So I’d like you to try this now. So I’d like you to take your glasses off, rub your hands together. And just for and then I’d like you to do
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out here, let’s good. And so you’re going to breathe in. And on the exhale, you’re going to make a like I did a pretty loud humming sound, but keep the sound contained in your mouth.
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And for how long? Like would this sound? Should I keep it going for
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just just till you’re done with your exhale
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so let’s do three of them
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are you good slowly like your and so what are you seeing? What are you feeling? Yeah,
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I definitely feel more relaxed.
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Yeah. So this is going to help you any stress that builds up in your, in your eyes. So this one again can be done, you know, throughout the day. And so this would be the third one I would suggest. So any questions or comments about this one? No. Okay. All right. So, so far. Just to summarize, we’re going to have you do the I tracing exercise, we’re gonna have you the jelly beans magic I exercise. And we’re gonna have you do the poem home. Now there’s one more which is really radical. And what it is a you will go to the drugstore and you’re going to get the strongest pair of reading glasses that they sell. Okay, the strongest pair of reading glasses. And the number you’re going to look for is like maybe 253 You’re gonna get the highest number you can we get at least 250 And you’re gonna bring it home and while you’re there at the pharmacy, see if you can buy an eyepatch. So you come home and you do this in the comfort of your bedroom or your home,
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and you patch the left eye, you’re not wearing any of your regular glasses. And you get a baseline of how blurry it is. And then you take those blurry glasses, and you put them over the right eye.
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And you’re gonna go, Wow, it’s really blurry, or blurry that your job for one minute is to see if you can just relax into the blur. And that’s all you’re gonna do. You don’t have to see clearly, I’m not asking you to walk, you don’t have to identify anything. But I want you just to wear that for one minute. And then you take it off, and you look through the right eye. And you’re going to notice that things are much clearer. So by going into the blur, that’s going to create more clarity for you. Okay. And then you do it again. So after that minute, you again, we put the lens back on, and you can go into the blur. And you do it for one minute.
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So only one left, I just put the patch on
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or no no. So so she’s patched the left eye. And she’s putting the glasses on her face, but she’s just looking through the right eye. Okay, she’s going to do that three times a minute on, take it off, minute on, take it off, minute on, take it off. And then she’s gonna take so now the glasses are off, she takes the patch off. And you’re gonna go, Oh, my God, it’s really clear. And then you do the same on the other eye. Three times. And so what we’re doing is we’re challenging her, her eyes to stretch into that level of blur. And that’s going to be really good. Oh my god, it’s gonna be great. If you do that for a month, your eyes are going to really start to improve. Okay. So that’s, that’s a very radical exercise because you’re actually using a prescription. That’s completely opposite to what you normally wear. Yeah. And by doing that it’s going to start to reduce the myopia. And you may call me and say, Okay, this reading prescription now has become my distance, give me something even weaker. That’s probably what’s going to happen. So it works well. But you just have to do it every day. And again, when you wear that prescription, you’re not doing anything I don’t want you to be walking or trying to read. It’s really a prescription of getting your eyes to relax, ya know? And so, any questions or comments about that?
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So can I just because I have like a couple of posters in my room, like, would that just be good to kind of be looking at just like the poster,
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for sure. Make sure it’s, you know, at least a couple of feet away. And the goal is not trying to see better through the glasses. Goal is relaxing into the blur, so that you know, you’re you’re stretching your eye in a way that’s going to be really, really good. So it works. I mean, if you start using that prescription in your exercise time, you’ll probably be able to wear the reduced prescription I’m sending you most of the time on a You’ll just be using the stronger glasses, you know, maybe for night driving or something. But, you know, I think if you do these things, I think within a few days, you’re going to start seeing some improvement. And, you know, I’m going to, I’m going to email these prescriptions to you right now. So that you, you have them. And I would, I would just fill them.
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Okay
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so, anything, anything else on your show? I do. I, this is a good time, we’ve got a little time left. So I want to make sure all your questions are already answered. Well,
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what do you think about like, say acupuncture, like cranial sacral therapy, because she’s also she’s studying a lot like her neck is stiff her shoulders, and also read, it’s kind of like, you know, blood circulation, right to her brain to her eyes. So if she feels like, you know, it’s kind of like, blocked, they’re constantly so do you think it will be beneficial to do something like that to help to relax?
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Absolutely 100% You know, the more you can help get rid of the stress, that’s going to improve the eyes. And so, you know, if you lived in my city, I’d be doing cranial sacral on you. And acupuncture. So I think that, you know, sporadically, you don’t need to go every week necessarily. But you know, we’re in a, we’re in a, we’re in a position right now, where, because we’re seeing what’s happening in the eyes, there’s a lot of stress, a lot of stress on and a lot of demands. And so if you’re able to go get those kinds of treatments, I mean, you’re way ahead of the game, because most people your age don’t even know about it. I bought it when I was your age I wish I had. But I think that definitely I would seek those people out, I support and you’re right on about the circulation, the blood flow, the circulation, the womb. I’ll tell you something now. So thing that’s been this has been in the research, getting morning sunlight, 30 minutes of natural sunlight in the morning, is very good for the eyes. And looking out into the distance. They did a study with kids with computer using computers. And they’re finding that that morning, sunlight resets the brain, it’s really good for you. So even if it’s cloudy, get out there without your glasses. So the natural sunlight, stop using your screens 30 to 60 minutes before you go to bed because sleep is another issue. And so this lifestyle is such where if you’re going to be in this really high stress state, we’ve got to be able to you know manage your body and your nervous system so that you’re not depleting yourself. A lot of this is just depletion
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any other questions? Don’t think I have any clue. And just think like, When should we do like follow up with you? You know?
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So just about in about six weeks, about six weeks
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so this works. You know, I was very nearsighted as a child, I was about what you are. I’m in my late 20s I met a doctor like myself and I completely reversed my nearsightedness you see, I’m not wearing any glasses. I don’t wear anything for the reading. I don’t wear anything for distance. And so I dissolve my need for so if I can do it, you can do it. Yeah, I agree.
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Determination. And as I mentioned, I need right I think one right now she reached the point where she is truly ready to commit and reverse. Yes.
50:17
Yeah, I mean, this is an investment you’re making. I mean, even just today, you could have just gotten a new glasses filled. But so you got to put some some of your investment in on the line. And the only way you’re going to improve is by doing these exercises every day and doing these things. If you do, we’ll see improvement. There’s no doubt. There’s no doubt. So keep keep in touch. If you have any questions, you can always email me, and I’ll send you the recording. I’m gonna send you all the links. I’ll send you diet stuff on whatever else I have. I’ll send you the jelly beans. And also the I’ll send you the directions on how to do the PLUS loans exercise. Good for you or your age to be doing this. Thank you. Okay, folks, well, I guess I’ll sign off. Good luck. Thank you so much. We’ll see in about six weeks.
51:37
Thank you so much. So
51:38
shall we schedule it?
51:41
Yes, schedule with with Monica. schedule with him. Okay, have a good weekend.
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